Collective: the Community Created Card Game Steam news

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• Review score82% positive
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• Release dateMar 27, 2020
• DeveloperOdious Studios LLC
• PublisherOdious Studios LLC

Genres: Free To Play, Indie, Strategy, Early Access

Company pages: Developer: Odious Studios LLCPublisher: Odious Studios LLC

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Collective: the Community Created Card Game Steam news

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Latest Steam announcements

• End of Service Announcement - 19 June 2023

  Hey everyone, I'm sad to announce that Collective will be ending service on July 31st, 2023. Many things contributed to this decision, including declining player count and patreon income, our inability to find a manager for the project, and the recent drama with Reddit. It's been a terrific three years since the steam launch, but live service games are inherently unstable, and unfortunately we never found a way to make the game self-sustaining. We've always been blown away by the community's creativity and dedication, and we'll always be proud to have brought everyone together for this project. In the short term we'll be disabling in-game payments and shutting down the Patreon. After July 31st, this discord server will be made read-only, since we don't want to leave the space open but unmoderated. We'll be posting a google drive folder with all of the cards that made it into the game of…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 19 - 11 June 2023

  Congrats to the winners of week 2023 - 18! New cards: 1) Diligent Gemcrafter (now 3/3/4) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/cc1cf960-0397-11ee-a2c9-a1633227320a-m.png 2) Ghastly Guppy (Cooler concept forthis fish.) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/517067e0-00f6-11ee-8ded-978dfba4fd63-m.png 3) Blood Drain https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/faf15900-014b-11ee-8ded-978dfba4fd63-m.png 4) Compulsive Hoarder (Pearlmaw Dragons) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/86df99b0-00dc-11ee-8ded-978dfba4fd63-s.png 5) Elder's Hut https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/a99ba1e0-039a-11ee-a2c9-a1633227320a-s.png 6) Spider Plant Rider https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/876e68e0-0260-11ee-8ded-978dfba4fd63-s.png 7) Air Superiority Blue https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/c0748710-01d8-11ee-8ded-978dfba4fd63-m.png 8) Poor Merchant https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/50205770-01d6-11ee-8ded-978dfba4fd63-s.…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 18 - 4 June 2023

  Congrats to the winners of week 2023 - 18! New Cards: Megalobone https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/93e90ee0-fdf6-11ed-8ded-978dfba4fd63-m.png Stitcher https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/afeb6af0-fdc1-11ed-8ded-978dfba4fd63-m.png Nightmare Ooze (OOZE) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/cf9c7360-fd19-11ed-8ded-978dfba4fd63-m.png Salmon's Blood https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/fa0a4db0-fdc4-11ed-8ded-978dfba4fd63-m.png Guzzler Mimic (Reposted to update the collaborators because apparantly it does not automatically add the artist to the collaborators section) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/34313ab0-fc78-11ed-a341-339928f83460-m.png Crypt Crawler https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/15694cc0-0020-11ee-8ded-978dfba4fd63-m.png Ninja Gear https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/567c4d30-fb47-11ed-94bc-35ca782bef16-s.png Greater Wyrm https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/2e860de0-fb31-11ed-…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 17 - 29 May 2023

  Congrats to the winners of week 2023 - 17! New Cards: The Hush (Now it has Spirit Affinity and Chroma-Mind) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/13d1d750-f671-11ed-bbad-37bd862b341c-m.png Redleaf Ransomer https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/a1c2acc0-bacf-11ed-ac41-d7748e2526fa-s.png Perched Support Bird https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/245204b0-f815-11ed-bbad-37bd862b341c-s.png Shady Scribe https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/cd1acbb0-f962-11ed-bbad-37bd862b341c-s.png Small Thief https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/faa5c590-6669-11ec-81fc-1fc7a948a618-s.png The Sulphur Express https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/88255e30-f66a-11ed-bbad-37bd862b341c-s.png Chthonic Reverend https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/590154d0-f7ee-11ed-bbad-37bd862b341c-m.png Obsidian Cruncher https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/08cc9b10-f7ed-11ed-bbad-37bd862b341c-s.png Safety Orange https://files.collective.g…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 16 - 21 May 2023

  Congrats to the winners of week 2023 - 16! New cards: Snegauin The Link https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/cb3798b0-f24f-11ed-bbad-37bd862b341c-s.png Wicked Guide https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/6756f6e0-f288-11ed-bbad-37bd862b341c-m.png Wanderstar Explorer https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/c523f4c0-ef55-11ed-82b5-15a807414deb-s.png Bombastic Gamble https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/e75e85d0-ea9d-11ed-870b-954fe1d38fac-s.png Jotunn's Trial https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/de833810-f2b4-11ed-bbad-37bd862b341c-s.png The Goop (Oooze) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/493fa900-f106-11ed-9940-e741a07c0927-m.png Firefish https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/52e7adb0-f294-11ed-bbad-37bd862b341c-m.png Alheim's Mastery https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/13e45960-f249-11ed-bbad-37bd862b341c-s.png Town Spook https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/74a1a750-f1b1-11ed-bbad-37bd862b341c-s.p…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 15 - 14 May 2023

  Congrats to the winners of week 2023 - 15! Season 11 - Week 15 Flowing Chosen https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/f629b820-ecad-11ed-82b5-15a807414deb-s.png Molten Chosen https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/20e26f70-ec9b-11ed-82b5-15a807414deb-s.png Earthen Chosen https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/f9984010-ecaf-11ed-82b5-15a807414deb-s.png Maniacal Chosen https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/f45517d0-ecb0-11ed-82b5-15a807414deb-s.png Grim Chosen https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/0da8d200-eca5-11ed-82b5-15a807414deb-s.png Young Chosen https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/0a627d70-eca1-11ed-82b5-15a807414deb-s.png Wise Chosen https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/54accf40-ec9f-11ed-82b5-15a807414deb-s.png Gentle Chosen https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/56392350-ec99-11ed-82b5-15a807414deb-s.png Feral Chosen https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/5cd8a640-eca3-11ed-82b5-15a807414deb-s.png H…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 14 - 9 May 2023

  Congrats to the winners of week 2023 - 14! New Cards: Rambunctious Whelp https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/2375dac0-e628-11ed-8d05-3776ba4f2cec-m.png Noxious Reaper https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/08cc7700-e926-11ed-a3f5-37302a286b2c-s.png Malicious Mercenary https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/82082b90-e873-11ed-a3f5-37302a286b2c-m.png Prosperity Dragon https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/beade0a0-e628-11ed-8d05-3776ba4f2cec-m.png Bush Lurker https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/cbae2090-e780-11ed-b546-79d14a526164-s.png Redleaf Raid Leader https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/440f20c0-e777-11ed-b546-79d14a526164-m.png Shipwreck Scavenger (Crab Spider Time) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/c30e3a60-e23f-11ed-8304-f7ea2f43fd18-m.png Sinful Pilgrimage https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/d7f29910-e700-11ed-b546-79d14a526164-m.png Throne Regalia (Slightly different seatery this time…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 13 - 1 May 2023

  Congrats to the winners of Week 2023 - 13! New cards: Ahanztura Chopper (a great woocutter) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/39a1aed0-e2ec-11ed-8f0a-736b16344743-s.png Lazy Necromancer https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/faf57220-e3c7-11ed-8d05-3776ba4f2cec-s.png Lord Helix (Praise the helix - did good last week its basically a cantrip but is a good 1 drop for fortuno and a fossil archetype) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/18fe1400-e0aa-11ed-adef-29e7b0979612-m.png Quiet Horror https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/c82f5190-e434-11ed-8d05-3776ba4f2cec-s.png Ticket to the Show (now less cheesy) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/4d096590-e23c-11ed-8304-f7ea2f43fd18-m.png Fireflute https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/e6a3c0b0-e12e-11ed-adef-29e7b0979612-s.png Rico the Rascal https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/c86ecb20-e23d-11ed-8304-f7ea2f43fd18-s.png Preemptive Strike (Strength) h…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 12 - 24 April 2023

  Congrats to the winners of Week 2023 - 12! New Cards: Chronatuna https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/e0907360-dc9e-11ed-b7f2-51c2ba40879a-m.png Dissipate https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/772cb8d0-dbd5-11ed-b7f2-51c2ba40879a-m.png House Edge Croupier https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/eecd1e60-cf65-11ed-92c6-5f52114e070e-m.png Torrential Boa https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/ed69ce30-db34-11ed-b7f2-51c2ba40879a-s.png Immoneom Doom Flame (New Version Eggs are now a self-playing action and 1 egg will now hatch 2 DoomWhelps. This is Final card for the Hollow Archetype) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/dfc34750-d717-11ed-b7f2-51c2ba40879a-m.png Rockwood Penitentiary https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/f83d8bb0-de01-11ed-8bc0-e9eefb9e6351-m.png Cursed Blunderbuss https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/3a582010-dd66-11ed-8bc0-e9eefb9e6351-m.png Saltwater Smuggler https://files.collective…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 11 - 15 April 2023

  Congrats to the winners of Week 2023 - 11! New Cards: Elder Caretaker https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/ff5d4b40-d480-11ed-b7f2-51c2ba40879a-s.png Burning Beast https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/58a01870-d825-11ed-b7f2-51c2ba40879a-s.png The Gilded Crow https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/1da47000-d635-11ed-b7f2-51c2ba40879a-m.png TOP OF DAO https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/c98804e0-d66c-11ed-b7f2-51c2ba40879a-s.png Imp-Perfect Cube https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/7f828e30-d6c4-11ed-b7f2-51c2ba40879a-s.png Prehistoric Pink (It's Egg day. Time for Egg cards) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/08d13a30-d718-11ed-b7f2-51c2ba40879a-m.png Pact Practitioner https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/e709e480-d6c5-11ed-b7f2-51c2ba40879a-s.png Oni Headhunter https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/293590c0-d536-11ed-b7f2-51c2ba40879a-s.png Rotten Egg (It's Egg day eat ye eggs) https://files.co…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 10 - 7 April 2023

  Congrats to the winners of Week 2023 - 10! New cards: Hollow Bolt https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/44ce7f70-caf7-11ed-865e-436715dba80a-s.png Growth Of Forest https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/90f56550-d34c-11ed-b7f2-51c2ba40879a-m.png Artificial Love https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/cba4ca90-d1af-11ed-b7f2-51c2ba40879a-s.png Bio Warfare https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/ebddf600-d01b-11ed-92c6-5f52114e070e-m.png Fossil Salmon (Now actually creates a Fossil in hand ) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/e4852650-cf2e-11ed-92c6-5f52114e070e-m.png Bolting Cheetah (Rework for new rules) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/9a1768b0-d0ca-11ed-92c6-5f52114e070e-s.png Double Cheeseburger https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/0b851130-cf65-11ed-92c6-5f52114e070e-s.png Last Cry (I promised you a board wipe for the Hollows and as well as recreating your table) https://files.collective.gg/p…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 9 - 31 March 2023

  Congrats to the winners of Week 2023 - 9! New cards: Philosopher's Asp https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/40c88210-cc6c-11ed-865e-436715dba80a-s.png Ritual Scarification https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/4a643190-ca53-11ed-865e-436715dba80a-m.png Mandated Vacation (This is a threat) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/919d43c0-c838-11ed-865e-436715dba80a-s.png Hasty Headmaster https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/0bf2a1b0-cc94-11ed-865e-436715dba80a-m.png Samurai Hammer Mage (Accidentally posted with wrong stats last week) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/11342cc0-caa5-11ed-865e-436715dba80a-m.png Manymen https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/9aed38f0-ccdd-11ed-865e-436715dba80a-m.png Wizard Sword https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/525eb360-cadb-11ed-865e-436715dba80a-s.png Butler Strikebreakers https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/43a8c100-ca2f-11ed-865e-436715dba80a-s.png Flower Kn…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 8 - 26 March 2023

  Congrats to the winners of Week 2023 - 8! New cards: Soul Splitter https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/03491eb0-c5cb-11ed-b0d5-c18024a13c11-m.png Cloudwalker https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/029edef0-c7ce-11ed-865e-436715dba80a-s.png Yuan Zan Stormspire (changed slightly again) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/f636b370-c57c-11ed-b0d5-c18024a13c11-m.png Wispslayer Prototype https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/585cdf60-c786-11ed-865e-436715dba80a-m.png Truth Serum https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/341426d0-c543-11ed-b0d5-c18024a13c11-s.png Finned Fury https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/8db8a4d0-c85f-11ed-865e-436715dba80a-s.png Mist Weaver (reworked) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/27356db0-c611-11ed-865e-436715dba80a-m.png Rouge Belt Rogue https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/3beb9290-c6c3-11ed-865e-436715dba80a-s.png Wind and Thunder https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/edbbc…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 7 - 17 March 2023

  Congrats to the winners of week 2023 - 7! New cards: Apple of Discord https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/15b95940-c03d-11ed-b0d5-c18024a13c11-s.png Kasztani Of Many Petals https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/823a6be0-bc91-11ed-aeca-49ef697aab34-s.png Time Warp (Blink) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/6a0f0c40-a40b-11ed-aed3-b7dc27ef070c-s.png Loan Shark (Trying to start a new Realm) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/41581380-c019-11ed-b0d5-c18024a13c11-m.png Melting Polarbear ((now -ATK works like Sleepy Snowbear)) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/b3fc4260-c133-11ed-b0d5-c18024a13c11-m.png J.A.W.S https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/ff7e78e0-c1ea-11ed-b0d5-c18024a13c11-m.png Infernal Summoning (new effect removed realm for future potential Dante/Hell realm) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/e27fb6d0-c02f-11ed-b0d5-c18024a13c11-m.png Soul in Agony https://files.collective.gg/p…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 6 - 12 March 2023

  Congrats to the winners of Week 2023 - 6! New cards: Cyber Hammer Mage (Now it's time to really throw down) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/23053740-ba39-11ed-ac41-d7748e2526fa-m.png Snowball Snipe https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/cf1737a0-bb4b-11ed-9b51-43148c8b2007-s.png Wisphunter Squad https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/00cadb50-b8b1-11ed-ac41-d7748e2526fa-s.png Pit-Bot https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/268271b0-baea-11ed-ac41-d7748e2526fa-s.png Motion To Present https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/b763b2b0-ba14-11ed-ac41-d7748e2526fa-m.png Lizaboi Nest https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/23449ae0-bae1-11ed-ac41-d7748e2526fa-m.png Murk Shadow (Now has 3/2 stats) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/e146c910-ba86-11ed-ac41-d7748e2526fa-m.png Displacing Winds (AoE tool for aggro decks) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/a4dc35c0-b9f3-11ed-ac41-d7748e2526fa-s.png Elder Scribe…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 5 - 9 March 2023

  Congrats to the winners of Week 2023 - 5! New cards: Lizathep Guard https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/e460e6a0-b62e-11ed-961b-779cd692bc1f-m.png Card Shark https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/2e96e870-b501-11ed-961b-779cd692bc1f-m.png Furpocalypse https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/ea624e10-b5e6-11ed-961b-779cd692bc1f-m.png Distress Signal https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/d3326070-b601-11ed-961b-779cd692bc1f-s.png Apprentice Alchemist https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/9cd14c40-b565-11ed-961b-779cd692bc1f-s.png Guiding Constellation https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/64d41110-b4c5-11ed-961b-779cd692bc1f-s.png Big Blib https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/4bdb8c20-b6c7-11ed-b68c-918b9e18442f-m.png Hammer Throw (You cannot escape the hammer) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/c12e44c0-b7d7-11ed-ac41-d7748e2526fa-m.png Plagueball https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/b025da60-b5cc-11…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 4 - 24 February 2023

  Congrats to the winners of Week 2023 - 4! New cards: A Brand New Face https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/ac53fc50-b162-11ed-9b6b-53251d051220-s.png Venomweaver https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/3d9756a0-af31-11ed-9b6b-53251d051220-m.png Raiden Rising Storm (Ninja Lord) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/86ff57e0-b065-11ed-9b6b-53251d051220-s.png Demonbelch Brew https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/a31c5b30-b1cd-11ed-ae37-01416f20c7c6-s.png Starcaller https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/ec569720-ad9a-11ed-9b6b-53251d051220-s.png Tomb Patroller https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/302bf300-b322-11ed-961b-779cd692bc1f-s.png Junior Acolyte https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/e4bdc560-84e6-11ed-8d30-eba3b7ec8c78-s.png Malebogia Smith (now 1/2 instead) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/8e36ba10-af27-11ed-9b6b-53251d051220-s.png Serpercussionist https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/6e0fa3c0…

• Upcoming Changes to Collective - 20 February 2023

  Hey everyone, We wanted to talk about a few upcoming changes coming to Collective. The goal of these changes is to bring the game into a steady financial state so it can continue to operate indefinitely, and create a business model that's fully in-line with our community. When we launched Collective, we imagined it would run similar to other free-to-play games with a live service model, where we would create new content to sell to keep the game funded. This has unfortunately not worked out. Investing in new heroes, cosmetics and season passes for the game has rarely paid back the investment we made in them. However, since launching the Patreon we've had a steady stream of income which is nearly enough to cover our server costs on its own already. For this reason, we're going to be removing in-game purchases from Collective, and moving to being funded purely by Patreon donations. Startin…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 3 - 18 February 2023

  Congrats to the winners of Week 2023 - 3! New Cards: Rose of Wilting https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/038cc820-aad4-11ed-8516-2f225616fb55-s.png Von Basil Ph.D. (Halved HP Gain -1 cost) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/6df2ed30-ac0e-11ed-8516-2f225616fb55-s.png Intimidating Shinobi (It's Ninjaing Time) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/142aa460-a9bf-11ed-8f8a-f9bc39eb950c-s.png Book Brawler https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/66ff23b0-ad4c-11ed-9b6b-53251d051220-m.png Spyder https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/6e8d2550-aae5-11ed-8516-2f225616fb55-s.png 1000 Gold Blood Harvest https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/abc8fdc0-aa38-11ed-8f8a-f9bc39eb950c-s.png Harpoon Strike https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/f8eb4de0-a648-11ed-8f8a-f9bc39eb950c-s.png Tempt https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/2de24490-a973-11ed-8f8a-f9bc39eb950c-s.png 1000 Gold Unjolly Roger https://files.collective.g…

• Congratulations to the Weekly Winners! 2023 Week 2 - 10 February 2023

  Congrats to the winners of 2023 - 2! New Cards: Blue Moon Rutsuki https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/50acc620-a4a6-11ed-aed3-b7dc27ef070c-s.png Combat Encounter https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/c9057780-a5d1-11ed-8f8a-f9bc39eb950c-s.png Lumia Housekeeper https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/43a84490-9cb8-11ed-ad16-6bf6871df269-s.png Ferrog Waste's Warden https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/dc96aa90-a3f5-11ed-aed3-b7dc27ef070c-s.png Revealing True Essence https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/1f420df0-a241-11ed-aed3-b7dc27ef070c-m.png Talira Soldier https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/047d0aa0-a5e9-11ed-8f8a-f9bc39eb950c-s.png Surging Blade Spirit (a push for mind decks) https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/9f791ea0-95f3-11ed-9ede-6727243974e6-s.png Fossil Examiner https://files.collective.gg/p/cards/6c32b5e0-a748-11ed-8f8a-f9bc39eb950c-m.png Hollow Weaver https://files.collective.gg/p/c…

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